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			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:34:16 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Ubivecc</dc:creator>			<comments>http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ubivecc</comments>		</item>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Community&amp;#39;s reasons for inclusion or rejection:&amp;#32;&lt;/span&gt; You can do it without patch, no?&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** Hi. Since this patch was decided to be rejected once, please refute the comments above, and clarify that it's necessary. Thank you very much, anyway, for your comments!- [[User:Teika kazura|Teika kazura]] 07:12, November 21, 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** Hi. Since this patch was decided to be rejected once, please refute the comments above, and clarify that it's necessary. Thank you very much, anyway, for your comments!- [[User:Teika kazura|Teika kazura]] 07:12, November 21, 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** I'm trying to have a gnome compatible window manager so that when you click on the contents of the window the window stays put, it does NOT rise to cover other windows. Most people have not used such a window manager and have not yet realized the advantages of it. It makes it a lot easier to handle a bunch of windows. It is roughly equivalent to doubling the screen area. The PROBLEM is that some applications rise to the front own their own. For example, when switching from&amp;amp;nbsp; a gnome-terminal to Firefox, Firefox decides to jump in front of the other windows, hiding their view -- even though the window manager didn't tell it to. I didn't ask for that. I just want to change focus and make that window stay where it is, stay behind that other window. If you want to get the feel of a non-rise window manager play around with olvwm. Most people go from &quot;why do you want to do that&quot; to &quot;that's pretty cool&quot;. Once you get used to it you don't want to go back.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** I'm trying to have a gnome compatible window manager so that when you click on the contents of the window the window stays put, it does NOT rise to cover other windows. Most people have not used such a window manager and have not yet realized the advantages of it. It makes it a lot easier to handle a bunch of windows. It is roughly equivalent to doubling the screen area. The PROBLEM is that some applications rise to the front own their own. For example, when switching from&amp;amp;nbsp; a gnome-terminal to Firefox, Firefox decides to jump in front of the other windows, hiding their view -- even though the window manager didn't tell it to. I didn't ask for that. I just want to change focus and make that window stay where it is, stay behind that other window. If you want to get the feel of a non-rise window manager play around with olvwm. Most people go from &quot;why do you want to do that&quot; to &quot;that's pretty cool&quot;. Once you get used to it you don't want to go back.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** I mean, you can already do it with Sawfish configuration, so the patch is not necessary, no? - [[User:Teika kazura|Teika kazura]] 04:30, November 24, 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:30:36 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Teika kazura</dc:creator>			<comments>http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Focus_window_without_raise</comments>		</item>
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* {{yes}} Please include this! cyber_rigger This is just what I have been looking for. Years ago I was customizing sawfish bindings to behave something like olvwm, so windows would NOT rise when you clicked them. This is just what I have been looking for. http://perfectwm.blogspot.com/ [[User:75.109.220.54|75.109.220.54]] 22:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* {{yes}} Please include this! cyber_rigger This is just what I have been looking for. Years ago I was customizing sawfish bindings to behave something like olvwm, so windows would NOT rise when you clicked them. This is just what I have been looking for. http://perfectwm.blogspot.com/ [[User:75.109.220.54|75.109.220.54]] 22:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** Hi. Since this patch was decided to be rejected once, please refute the comments above, and clarify that it's necessary. Thank you very much, anyway, for your comments!- [[User:Teika kazura|Teika kazura]] 07:12, November 21, 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** I'm trying to have a gnome compatible window manager so that when you click on the contents of the window the window stays put, it does NOT rise to cover other windows. Most people have not used such a window manager and have not yet realized the advantages of it. It makes it a lot easier to handle a bunch of windows. It is roughly equivalent to doubling the screen area. The PROBLEM is that some applications rise to the front own their own. For example, when switching from&amp;amp;nbsp; a gnome-terminal to Firefox, Firefox decides to jump in front of the other windows, hiding their view -- even though the window manager didn't tell it to. I didn't ask for that. I just want to change focus and make that window stay where it is, stay behind that other window. If you want to get the feel of a non-rise window manager play around with olvwm. Most people go from &quot;why do you want to do that&quot; to &quot;that's pretty cool&quot;. Once you get used to it you don't want to go back.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:36:22 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>75.109.220.54</dc:creator>			<comments>http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Focus_window_without_raise</comments>		</item>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:49:10 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Flashrider</dc:creator>			<comments>http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:94.23.238.142</comments>		</item>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Community&amp;#39;s reasons for inclusion or rejection:&amp;#32;&lt;/span&gt; Refute, please.&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* {{yes}} Please include this! cyber_rigger This is just what I have been looking for. Years ago I was customizing sawfish bindings to behave something like olvwm, so windows would NOT rise when you clicked them. This is just what I have been looking for. http://perfectwm.blogspot.com/ [[User:75.109.220.54|75.109.220.54]] 22:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* {{yes}} Please include this! cyber_rigger This is just what I have been looking for. Years ago I was customizing sawfish bindings to behave something like olvwm, so windows would NOT rise when you clicked them. This is just what I have been looking for. http://perfectwm.blogspot.com/ [[User:75.109.220.54|75.109.220.54]] 22:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:12:44 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Teika kazura</dc:creator>			<comments>http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Focus_window_without_raise</comments>		</item>
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Since focusing a window without also raising it is the desired behaviour with the RISC-OS alike ROX Desktop Environment, I was
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Since focusing a window without also raising it is the desired behaviour with the RISC-OS alike ROX Desktop Environment, I was &lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;looking for a possibility to do this with sawfish. I ended up adding a new pseudo raise-function which I call &quot;focus-and-pass-through-click&quot; by cloning &quot;raise-and-pass-through-click&quot; without the raise command.&lt;/span&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* {{wtf}} I agree with Teika, the problem looks more like a config issue. Non handled events are just passed untouched, so unbinding should work as expected, Sawfish does not force raises (I have been using enter focus mode for years without autoraises). [[User:GSR|GSR]] 21:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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* {{no}} Better to reconfigure your sawfish binding, than to apply your patch&amp;amp;nbsp;;) In fact that's the configuration I'm currently using on my ROX+sawfish desktop (focus without raise, enter+click focus). But thank you for your effort.
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* {{no}} Better to reconfigure your sawfish binding, than to apply your patch&amp;amp;nbsp;;) In fact that's the configuration I'm currently using on my ROX+sawfish desktop (focus without raise, enter+click focus). But thank you for your effort. &lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[User:Janek Kozicki|Janek Kozicki]] 15:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;*  '''Vote: YES''' Please include this! cyber_rigger This is just what I have been looking for. Years ago I was customizing sawfish bindings to behave something like olvwm, so windows would NOT rise when you clicked them. This is just what I have been looking for. http://perfectwm.blogspot.com/&lt;/span&gt;
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* [[User:&lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Janek Kozicki&lt;/span&gt;|&lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Janek Kozicki&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;15&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;34&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;4 August 2008 &lt;/span&gt;(UTC)
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